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Hiding Behind [MSFT]

Randy Holloway just called me an idiot. I don't know him.


"Although I don't think certifications are worthless, I do think that they're not worth anything on their own."


I expected more straightforward answer. Do you know anything that is worth anything in life on its own ?


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# re: Hiding Behind [MSFT]
Worthy on their own: Apples. Sunshine. Clean water.



Randy's answer seems quite straightforward. Not sure why you failed to understand it. I guess he should have wasted time and energy explaining the point further. I think you are probably expecting some specific answer and, like local new reporters, you discard any answer that doesn't parrot the words you're trying to produce through others.

6/21/2004 12:42 AM by worth

# re: Hiding Behind [MSFT]
Before you speak to me please say hello and your name next time

6/21/2004 12:47 AM by Anatoly Lubarsky

# re: Hiding Behind [MSFT]
Anonymous coward without certification. Ha ha

6/21/2004 12:57 AM by Anatoly Lubarsky

# re: Hiding Behind [MSFT]
You're welcome to unsubscribe, but for the record I didn't call you an idiot (or any other name). :)

6/21/2004 8:08 AM by Randy H.

# re: Hiding Behind [MSFT]
I am also working towards MCSD.NET currently.

The certification is worth something since employers look for it. I know I've lost opportunities for the simple fact that I did not have certain certifications(not necessarilly MS ones).

Apples, Sunshine, and Clean water are all worth something not in themselves because people want apples to eat, want to enjoy the sunshine and desire to drink clean water rather than unsanitary water. Everything in this world is worth something only because there is someone that desires it. Diamond(and other gems) would be worthless if nobody wanted it, as is often the case, in the aboriginee village where they are found.

And as Anatoly mentioned, it proves that the person took out his/her own precious time to get certified. That goes same for university degrees. I've learned nothing from the university and yet it's worth something when I get hired because I have a BSCS and the next guy only has a high school diploma. This does not mean that the current certification process cannot be further improved. I can attest to the fact that passing one of the MS exam poorly indicates what I am capable of as a programmer.

BTW, Anatoly, I don't think Randy called you an idiot. I think it was Mike Gunderloy, and even then, I don't think he meant everyone who has an MS certification is an idiot. ;)

6/21/2004 8:00 PM by Jiho Han

# re: Hiding Behind [MSFT]
Jiho: You are right. But Randy just took the very this piece from the article to repost and the title "Hiding Behind certification" is his own. So he didn't called me personally an idiot, but he has little respect to certified community and the effort to achieve. Interesting how much time will it take him to pass some track.

this is a post worth to see:
http://www.sqljunkies.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=866

6/21/2004 8:50 PM by Anatoly Lubarsky

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